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Published: July 19, 2007These complaints echo the ones from plaintiffs in pending lawsuits. Many were from customers ages 70 to 90 who claim they were pressured and conned by his salespeople into frittering away tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Fuljenz dismisses the volume of complaints as insignificant. "It's a feather," he says.
In fact, Fuljenz claims he is the true victim, targeted by a predatory lawyer. Last month, he sued Gibson for libel, slander and business disparagement.
"They're trying to create another story to take the heat off themselves," Gibson says.
Neither the FTC nor state attorneys general offices will confirm whether they are currently investigating the Beaumont coin companies. "We do not make potential targets aware," says Paco Felici, a spokesman for the Texas Office of the Attorney General.
While leafing through the pile of complaints against them from her office in Washington D.C., Greisman offers some "general comments" on why a company might use names such as First Fidelity Reserve or 1st National Reserve, which sound like financial institutions.
"Companies can use names that try to deceive consumers about their government affiliation," she says, "or that they're a different type of entity than they are."
Greisman also suggests a reason why closely related companies like the ones in Beaumont may use different business names. "It's to mask their true identity," she says, "so that when complaints come in, it looks as if there were complaints against 20 different, wholly unrelated companies."
The total client base for all four companies, estimated at 175,000, was built by direct advertising, in which customers such as Maureen O'Neill mailed coupons in response to coin ads, says Fuljenz. The ads contain disclosures, in tiny print, informing consumers that "we may contact you from time to time regarding items of interest."
The ads are vetted by Barry Cutler, former director of the FTC Bureau of Consumer Protection. Cutler confirms he has earned more than $20,000 as an hourly consultant for Fuljenz.
Fuljenz says he does not target the elderly since he advertises not only in places like AARP The Magazine but also in several mainstream national publications, including National Geographic, Newsweek, Parade, Smithsonian, Time and U.S. News & World Report.
All the companies offer a ten-day refund policy, he adds. And since May 2006, they have operated a phone recording system to provide double verification on sales, meant to protect customers against unauthorized credit card charges made by "rare rogue salesmen," he says.
The majority of complaints, says Fuljenz, are the result of miscommunication or buyer's remorse. "Most clients are wonderful people," he says. "Once in a while they lie; once in a while they puke."
According to his deposition, John Rollins got sick of lying.
In 2005, Rollins sold $4.6 million in coins, earning him $366,000 and the title of top salesman at Universal Coin & Bullion. He was the first person ever at the company to exceed $1 million in sales during a single month. He was 27.
The key to his success, he said: following orders handed down by management under the direct supervision of Fuljenz and his business partners.
In depositions taken last summer, Rollins and several other former salespeople provided a description of the inner workings of the Beaumont-based coin companies that contradicts Fuljenz's claims and provides support for the scores of former customers seeking redress.
(Many of the former employees who have given depositions, including Rollins, were sued by Fuljenz and his business partners for allegedly breaking their employment agreements, which prohibit them from disclosing any confidential company information.)
In his deposition, Lance Loftin, a salesman for two years at First Fidelity Reserve, said managers instructed him to tell customers that putting money in coins was like putting money in the bank. "If they buy $10,000 worth of coins from First Fidelity, it's really worth about $4,500," Loftin said.
In his deposition, Mark Fumoso, who still works as a sales manager at Universal Coin & Bullion, said that he often encouraged customers to move money out of government-insured certificates of deposit and into coins. When pressed, Fumoso admitted he didn't even know what CD stands for.
"I would tell [a customer] to go to whatever measures, you know, sell stock, do whatever you've got to do as far as moving some other investment dollars around to make it happen because it will benefit you," Fumoso testified.
In his deposition, Fumoso said customers can always say no to buying coins: "I can't jump through the phone and make them do it."
But Rollins and other former employees said in their depositions that customers were in fact forced to buy coins since managers instructed them to make unauthorized charges to customer credit cards.
Rollins also testified that salesmen would run out the clock on the companies' ten-day return policy by avoiding phone calls from irate customers, and then inform them that any refunds would include an expensive restocking fee.
In her deposition, Stacey Hernandez, a saleswoman for 11 years at First Fidelity Reserve, explained the importance of storytelling. "It was because people bought stories," she said. "We were always told to build a story because people buy stories. Not the coin, the story."
And many stories were outright lies, according to Hernandez.
For instance, she said, there was the moose head story, about a couple who bought a cabin in the woods and discovered a trove of one-of-a-kind rare coins in some taxidermy on the wall. Then there was the divorce story, about an amazing deal on rare coins hastily unloaded by a couple in the midst of a messy separation. And, perhaps most common of all, was the tall tale that Fuljenz known to customers as "the Warren Buffet of coins" had personally handpicked some coins from the vault for that customer's collection.
The building that formerly housed First Fidelity Reserve even had a "heat room," Hernandez said, where salespeople told made-up stories as part of hyper-aggressive sales pitches to customers. In order to create a false sense of drama and urgency, as if they were operating on an actual trading floor, salespeople often yelled things like "Ten coins gone! Fifty thousand gone!" according to Hernandez.










This article is excellent and validates a concern that I have had for a while. My Father is 83 years old and one afternoon while visiting him in the hospital he received a phone call from a salesperson at one of these companies. The salesperson spoke loudly
so I could hear much of what he was saying. He spoke as though he were a close friend/family member using a phrase similar to, " I know we've never met but your like a father to me...." He even referenced my fathers service in the military and said he was from the same branch and used a popular army phrase used within this special group. As soon as my father hung up I asked who it was and he said some guy tring to get his business. It is classic sales 101 at its lowest level to call a sick person in the hospital, regardless of age, and try to "build rapport" in order to get the business. It is even more criminal to prey on the elderly and others that may be isolated from from family members.
Comment by Lisa — July 21, 2007 @ 08:29AM
I spent considerable time with Mr. Spivack explaining the proper marketing of rare coins, the work I've done with Mr. Fuljenz over the years, and the excellent reputation I've known Mr. Fuljenz has enjoyed within the rare coin industry. I am sorry that he seemed to be more interested in the amount of fees Mr. Fuljenz paid to my firm rather than on the positive points I made about Mr.Fuljenz and his company, Universal Coin & Bullion of Beaumont, Texas.
Comment by B.J.Cutler — July 25, 2007 @ 09:56AM
Wow, I guess hell is going to get just a little bit bigger for when these people move in. I hope they have to repay all the people that they conned into these "investments." Here some info for people thinking to invest: Go to a respectable company such as apmex.com and check out the prices that they are offering. APMEX is selling these coins for just a few dollars over spot price. Companies like the ones in Beaumont are charging twice what they paid.
Comment by Mark Ramierez — July 25, 2007 @ 03:18PM
How can you be so one sided. Lets hear from the other side. This attorney seems to be playing dirty if this case has not been tried but all aired out with names and alligations. WOW , run a story for the other side , would love to read it. Very intresting view and wonder if you have invested with them? I have and can say only good things about Mike Fuljenz and what he recommends, yes his salesmen are excited but his strategy works at least it did for My family and I !
Comment by Bill — August 1, 2007 @ 04:49PM
We knew my mom and dad had an interest in gold and silver. Depression era parents see a safety in investing in the dependable metals. It won't lose value like the "worthless paper money". However, the tactics outlined in the article are exactly what occurred with my parents. They spoke like long,old time friends. We even found a get well card from one of the companies.
Since they live with us now, we've become very acquainted with the people doing business with my parents. But the tactics used in this industry are heavy handed, demanding and shameful. The urgency mentioned was right on target. One day my mom was rushing out the door because this letter had to be postmarked THAT DAY to secure the silver dime purchase just discussed over the phone. It was a check for $76,000 to one of the Beaumont coin dealers. We were mortified, but they insisted that it was a great investment, and it is their money. After some lengthy discussion and a call to a local dealer, they stopped payment on the check. The dimes were wildly overpriced. The call received the next day from Beaumont was anything but friendly. The man was harsh and angry. He belittled my mom as she was apologizing. It was unbelievable. I have since forwarded the phone to my number and intercept all calls. In the process, I've taken about a dozen calls from various coin dealers around the country. I'm sure they share their lists and their stories of triumph over gullible and lonely elderly people. The experiences outlined in the article were exactly what has happened here.
Comment by Lauri — August 4, 2007 @ 05:53PM
Sure am glad I found this article as my 77 yr old father has once again started collecting coins and going crazy.. We live just over the bridge from Beaumont but so far he has only purchased coins from the Mint or the Coin Shop on line. I have made copies of this for him to read. Thank you again for printing the information. I am sure there are several "honest" coin dealers, problem is finding them...
Comment by Shirly — September 11, 2007 @ 11:07AM
Wow, I cannot believe this...the same thing has happened with my 72 year old father. I have witnessed the phone calls that pressure my father to buy the stupid coins. He says no at least 4 times and the thief continues to pressure him to buy...with the continued pressure my father buys the coin. The thief befriends the victim and calls to "chat"...all in hopes to sale a coin...it is like raping someone over the phone. Is there anything I can do to get the thief to quit calling my father's house?
Comment by Carry — October 8, 2007 @ 05:51PM